From: Esotera 05/04 (Special Magazine For New Thinking And Spiritual Life, Germany)
By Doris Sibylle Heselberger, Author and Shaman.

“My Goodness, die Weisse Bruderschaft”
“My Goodness, the White Brotherhood”

Why the NZ-Maori-Shaman Wai Turoa-Morgan offers a shamanic education in Germany.

She wears three white albatross feathers from her ancestors. They symbolize peace in Maori tradition. The NZ shaman Wai Turoa-Morgan wore them on the latest shaman congress in Mondsee (Austria) where she amazed many people, making them laugh and cry. Because she could tell them instantly, what causes their diseases and what family conflicts cause them. Wai Turoa-Morgan is a Matakite from birth, a seer. Since 1996 she teaches in the Netherlands and Belgium. In the interview the humorous and warm shaman tells about her unhappy childhood and the moment, when in 1997 three spirit beings appeared, and told her it would be her task, to raise the consciousness of people.

Who were these beings?

I am careful answering this. But the name came to my consciousness instantly, and after that I had to look it up, to understand, what the name meant. When I saw them I was just teaching 65 shaman students ( laughs ). Right away I thought: “ Oh my goodness, die Weisse Bruderschaft!”. I had no idea what the white brotherhood or sisterhood meant. To me it’s the same, they are neither male nor female, and they embody a group consciousness. They told me that I should change the consciousness of people.

Has your vision got anything to do with the three-year shaman education programme, that you are going to offer twice a year in Germany?

I think so. I will pass on the knowledge, that I have been given, to my students, the knowledge of the three baskets.

The first basket has to do with the ability, to recognize your talents that are useful in your profession or to preserve mankind. The second basket is psychology, seeing more than the eyes can see, such as what emotional or mental problems are there. The third basket is my basket; I treat it with lots of respect, because within it is the essence of good and bad. It has to do with the ability to go beyond time and space and to recognize what’s behind the physical and material.

The education is going to include spiritual, emotional, mental and physical parts and their integration. That demands people with a special call or some kind of passion or a feeling, which they want to take part to serve society. They come from professions such as medicine, psychology, psychotherapy, anthropology, herbal medicine or mental healing. When these people come together and work for the greater good, no competition or personal desire for power comes up. Instead the finding of what people need all over the world, beyond borders, takes place. By the way I will be mentoring my students between the actual teachings. They will be able to contact me via e-mail.

During the inquisition millions of people have been killed in Europe, among them many woman and old wisdom was distinguished. Germany went through two world wars, in which lots of suffering happened and is still affecting the descendants. I think that many people ask themselves the question: Where are my spiritual roots? How can I reconnect with the old wisdom? Who were my ancestors?

I have a strong belief, and that’s not an intellectual, it’s a spiritual belief, that evolved through messages, that I received as a shamanic teacher from my own guidance … and not many shamans are teachers at the same time. I think that every person saves memories in his own cells. Everything has a DNA. When I look at a person’s aura, I can see the energy of the aura, that is the DNA of the aura. The aura field can instantly take me back to that person’s ancient time, in which the person once lived and from where he developed until now. That’s the reason why I am here, and I know that I can do that. I can help people to remember their own memories. And that’s possible, because I do ceremonies and rituals with them, so they can reconnect with their own old knowledge. I have my father’s Maori blood and my mother’ Scotch, Celtic and Danish blood. And therefore I carry all memories of these cultures in me. Also the people from Europe carry the old knowledge of their ancestors within them.

Are your ancestors giving you the information about the deceased, the deceased children and the family conflicts of strangers? Or do you get it from a higher, divine being?

I don’t know, honestly. Some people who come to see me for a consultation can’t close their mouth out of astonishment, after I have told them the things that “came to me” at that moment and which they can confirm totally. Their faces quickly show that they are healing within. Honestly, I can’t give you an explanation how I receive this information. I think, they aren’t told to me via my mind, and it’s something stronger than intuition as well. In that moment, when I’m looking at someone, I sometimes can look directly into that person. That’s that way, because it’s supposed to be that way. It’s like watching a film and at that moment I’m not aware of my physical self. I am then totally connected with that person. Even today, after 40 years of shamanic work, in which my abilities increased and became more direct, I can’t explain how that’s possible. There is no logical description, information comes from everywhere ( laughs ). The information about the three baskets came under the shower, and then I wrote them down. How can you explain the unexplainable? It’s a very special moment and I often feel very honoured and very privileged. I was sometimes a sad, little girl, which everything she had in life was her belief in herself. That’s my life purpose, that made me the person I am, being able to contact all kind of life forms. I wrote a book, that I haven’t published yet
because I want to make little changes. In the beginning it says: “ The little girl who thought true.”

In you workshops you also channel messages from the spirit world. Who do you get your messages from?

Many people because of this ability probably know me. I never channel messages from a certain person / leader. I believe, while I’m channelling I’m working with the higher self or the divine consciousness of people. I don’t know exactly, also because I’m sceptical. Everything I do has to be direct and in good way. I don’t put wrong stories in people’s heads. But when I say, your grandmother, your mother or your father is here, than that’s exactly what I see or what is told to me.

Why can’t you remember what you told the people after the channelling?

That was my decision not to remember. Because I’ve met many people who channel and I often doubt their statements. Many statements that were given though often sounded as if they were influenced by the mediums ego or ideals. I didn’t want that. I’ve been a teacher for spiritual conscious development and for people who are working as a medium. I am an Aries (laughs), and I like being in control. That’s why I haven’t been channelling in public for years. And then I chose not to remember my channelled messages; therefore no manipulation can take place. I can manipulate people; therefore I have to do it wisely. In Maori astrology being born in March and April, like Aries, means planting the seed. Out of one seed million of plants can grow. It isn’t an Aries job to nurture the seed.

Did things change in your private life after the three beings appeared?

Yes, when the three beings appeared in June 1997 I started my own business, which was very hard in the beginning. I changed my career and retired early. I used to work in middle management for the army and part time as a shaman. I lived with my family in a good middle class area of Wellington. When I left the army it became financially difficult for me. At the same time my marriage fell apart. It was a difficult time for me, but I had to believe in my vision, in the white light. I knew what I had to do, so I started to travel all over NZ.

At the shaman congress I was very touched when you openly talked about your private life and your unhappy childhood?

It’s very interesting, that I was that honest. Normally I am a very private person. Other people don’t know very much about me. As a child I was very happy with my father. When he died I was ten years old. I cried a lot, also when my marriage fell apart, because I felt like a lonely little girl. People were scared of me because of my seeing abilities. I was threatened, but the biggest punishment took place in my own family. My mother was afraid of me and used to light candles around me. I saw spirit beings who accompanied her and I knew that it would end badly for her. Many people were scared of me and it wasn’t easy to recover from that as a child. When they were picking on me I used to scare them with stories. I haven’t had a happy life. I had to pretend not to see, even though I saw what was going on. And then I had a bone disease. I was a cripple for a long-time. I was in a coma and in hospital for a long time. I think it was sort of a shamanic disease because I learned a lot. One of my legs is still shorter than the other one, but nobody knows, because I learned very early, to hide my disabilities. A healer healed me. He didn’t come to me in physical form, he came to me as a spirit. On the other hand I was lucky. Nothing could really harm me. I felt protected like being in an egg.

What means karma to you if you look at your own painful life?

Karma exists. Its something you need. It’s the law of cause and affect. I see my illness as a teacher. I’ve learned to understand pain and to feel other people’s pain. I can walk on the street and realize if someone’s in pain, I can smell deceases. I would have never learned those things if I hadn’t experienced them myself.

How do you feel about the fact that you can sense so much in people?

I don’t take these things into me. I tell people, what they need to know, so they can have a good life. I don’t say things to entertain them, I don’t tell fortunes. I feel very good with what I’m doing. I take the responsibility that I carry very, very seriously. I am careful with what I say

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Who or what is god?

In Maori mythology there are 12 heavens, 12 gods. Our father Ranginui is the the lowest of gods. The god we understand as the highest being is called “Io”, that’s the god of all gods, the god who has no parents ( laughs ). I believe in god, I believe in a higher being. I believe that this highest of all gods has created everything there is, including me. And I believe that when I have finished this level of life I will move on to another level of learning. In our mythology it is said that people have two souls, one is in their head, one is in their belly.

Is there a higher plan for every person?

Yes, I believe so. That’s my own inner knowledge. My ancestors told me. Most of my teachings don’t come from teachers of this earth, and that’s why my information is very direct and not polluted. All people have a life purpose, sort of a holy contract with the divine consciousness. All of us. Sometimes we can’t see the drawn picture until we are in our forties. Then we start to think how things often are repeated. Everyone is at the right place at the right time to recognize oneself in a stronger light. Today, at this point in my life, I believe that everyone is connected with the higher consciousness. Everyone plays a part in life.

Human beings have free will; on the other hand there is a life plan. How can that be understood?

Free will is the biggest curse given to mankind ( laughs ). You don’t have to worry too much whether you take this path or another. You just do whatever you think you have to do. It’s best for people to learn from their free will. They have possibilities to choose from on their predestined path. The only way of learning is – to make mistakes. Mistakes teach us the wisdom of what we did wrong.

Do you sometimes feel insecure doing what you do?

Of course, and because of sometimes feeling insecure, I am a strong shaman. Insecurities come up because I am walking on a powerful shamanic path. I drew my own picture of my genetic – cellular memory of my European past. In Britannia a druid told me that I am carrying two keys of druidic knowledge. How is that possible? Because I carry these memories and I can teach people how to use their own memories in a healing way.

The German artist Joseph Beys was a shaman in my opinion because his art reflected a deep knowledge of nature and having a shamanic aura. He said that every person is an artist. Would you say that every person is a shaman or can be one?

I think that artists use shamanic energies. That’s part of their evolution, they know, how they can develop those energies. But I don’t think that every person is a shaman. It’s possible, that shamanic – genetic memories are there, but the person cannot take on the responsibilities that comes along with working as a shaman. A shaman takes on a big responsibility, and therefore I think people are born as shamans. In my home country NZ we had a law that prohibited shamans to work as shamans. But still shamans were born and what happened was that they had no teachers and lots of them went crazy. The same thing happens in Germany and all over Europe. Shamans have been and are born and go through a time of confusion until they find their place in life. They often feel dislocated. They can suffer from mental or emotional problems, because they don’t know whether they belong to heaven or to earth.

Is it obligatory for your students of the three-year program to be shamans?

No, I think that the students are very likely to be in leading positions in the future. They will take on the next step to teach other people in Europe. I will work on the fears of my students because fears are big blockages. Many students will work as therapists. I will work with them, so they can keep their balance and find their own way, because in the end they should be aware of their own knowledge and work with it. If I can do that, then all conditionings and blocks will have disappeared.

During the three-year programme your students will have to deal with their own dark side…

Yes, they will have to look at this side and accept that it exists. I remember when I first became aware of that side. When I started working as a shaman professionally I was one of the youngest. Even though I was born a shaman I had to learn what living meant. I remember that I was working in front of an audience of about 150 people. I was about to concentrate on one person when I realized that someone was trying to disturb my concentration by energetically tuning into my head. This person disturbed twice and then I turned around and pointed my finger on him and said: “ Cut it out! “ After that the person was really satisfied because he had successfully shown his abilities to disturb me. There have been other incidents where people tried to disturb my healing work. Back then I sometimes couldn’t resist the temptation to embarrass those people or make them appear unimportant. That was my ego. When I realized that, I stopped. Because I asked: “ What are you trying to prove by acting that way? “ My intention was to make this person appear small in order to make myself appear big in front of the audience. When I realized that I said I won’t act like that any longer. I knew that I could and it’s my power to choose whether I want to act that way or the other.

But these people have been very rude towards you and the other participants.

Yes, they were rude. Some wanted to compete with me and others tried to disturb my healing work. Today I ask god to take care of those incidents, because I am doing the healing and don’t have time to waste my energy on those people. I know that I’m protected. But I had to learn, like any young, sociable person with lots of ego, to use the tools of shamanic healing wisely. It hasn’t always been easy. But today I am in my “ winter years “ and my last living years as a shaman.

How old are you?

I am 63. Some members of my family didn’t grow very old. I am the oldest, most people in my family died younger.

Do you know, when you are going to die?

( laughs ). No, I don’t.

So you don’t know everything even though you’re a shaman?

I think I ‘m going to feel it when the reason why I came to this world is coming to an end.

Thank you for the interview.

Translated by Maria Walder